Your Spiritual Mother

Thoughts and news about the Watchtower Organization...
Joined: 02 May 2012, 12:53

01 Jul 2012, 22:29 #1

  Hello everyone,

  As you know, Our Savior and mediator and King, Christ Jesus,  has been slowly and steadily removed from the minds of most Witnesses. Christ is rarely mentioned except in passing and where necessary, as in prayer, or the occasional article which ultimately leads to glorifying the Governing Body anyway. Here is a commentary you may not have heard concerning the term " Spiritual Mother ", which the Governing Body is desperately trying to cement in the minds of the rank-and-file. Certainly, a disgusting thing standing in a holy place. Will Jehovah be removed next, just mentioned in passing and when necessary? Here is the link for you,  so you can make your own decision.    

Peace be with you,

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Joined: 14 May 2011, 06:09

02 Jul 2012, 00:18 #2

This is sad Bro Jojo . Since I recall over 40 years ago , "Mother" , was an expression that co's & do's & sometimes some elders would use and try to apply it to the organization . It was an unofficial buzz word then , and now the convention with it's new brochure will be more open with this claim . Proverbs 6:20 is a flimsy basis for that claim , which will be used . At least back in those times they would relate this to Galations 4 , by "extention" , concerning "Jerusalem Above" . Of course that doesn't apply either .

Thanks for the heads-up . Now I see some of what my 30+ children & grandchildren will be "feasting" on this summer . I would think at some point they will wake up .

man oh man
Joined: 01 Feb 2012, 15:22

02 Jul 2012, 09:22 #3

If the organization is our spiritual mother and Jah is our Father then they are making themselves equal to God. This would even elevate themselves above Christ as he is the Son. These people will now start to flush out all of those that will not adhere to mythology. These people complain about calling mary the mother of god and yet they are Jah's wife? I will tell all after this convention that this organization is not "my mother". This is tantamount to blasphemy.

My Father would not even touch this Harlot. 
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man oh man
Joined: 01 Feb 2012, 15:22

02 Jul 2012, 10:07 #4

They go on in the talk to state this: "The Bible by itself does not shine forth its life giving truths just by itself." They then say this is why God gave us an organization. So if you are stranded on an island and all you have is a Bible, sorry, no salvation for you.

(2 Timothy 3:16, 17) 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
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Joined: 24 Jan 2012, 11:27

02 Jul 2012, 13:33 #5

This is thoroughly disheartening and sickening.

Joined: 24 Jan 2012, 11:27

02 Jul 2012, 14:30 #6

Where does the Holy Spirit.. our helper and our teacher come in all this? Where does our 'head' Christ Jesus come in all this? Image

Joined: 16 Jun 2012, 06:45

02 Jul 2012, 19:26 #7

This amounts to nothing less than idolatry.I have just sat through this at the DC with all the great sleeping crowd.

Joined: 02 May 2012, 12:53

02 Jul 2012, 21:07 #8

Sister D,

 Apparently the Holy Spirit's role is to lead you to our " Mother ". According to Sunday's Watchtower Study, YHWH draws sincere ones to his Son through his word and Holy Spirit. Then you go to meetings and work towards baptism in association with Mother. Then Mother gives you the information you need, you don't need the Holy Spirit. Well, there is one exception and that is if you profess a heavenly calling. Don't get too carried away though, here is why:

Watchtower study paragraph 5
5. How does Jehovah draw people to his Son?
5 Jesus said: “No man can come to me
unless the Father, who sent me, draws
him.” (John 6:44) Those words imply
that to become a disciple of Christ, we
must have God’s help. How does Jehovah
draw sheeplike ones to his Son?
Through the preaching of the good news
and the operation of holy spirit. For example,
when Paul and his missionary
companions were in Philippi, they met a
woman named Lydia and began sharing
the good news with her. The inspired
record states: “Jehovah opened her heart
wide to pay attention to the things being
spoken by Paul.” Yes, God provided
his spirit to help her get the sense
of the message, with the result that she
and her household got baptized.—Acts

 Simple enough. But after you get baptized is where things get dicey.  The Holy Spirit only draws you to Mother. Remember the scriptures were written for " Anointed " Christians in the first century, so you don't have or need Holy Spirit if you are of the rank-and-file. You do get a small amount so that you can cultivate the fruitage of the Spirit, except for that, rank-and-file don't get Holy Spirit, so it cannot be your " Helper ".  I mean...errr..ummm, well check out this article, it will explain everything!  

Watchtower 07 5/1

Questions From Readers
When does the calling of Christians to a heavenly hope cease?
The Bible does not reveal a precise answer to that question. We do know that the anointing of Jesus’ disciples with a view to their heavenly inheritance began in 33 C.E. (Acts 2:1-4) We also know that after the death of the apostles, genuine anointed Christian “wheat” came to “grow together” with counterfeit Christians, “weeds.” (Matthew 13:24-30) Then, starting in the late 1800’s, anointed Christians were again prominently active. In 1919 “the harvest of the earth,” including the gathering of the final ones of the anointed, began to be reaped.—Revelation 14:15, 16.
From the late 1800’s until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of Christ. In 1931 the Bible Students took the Bible-based name Jehovah’s Witnesses, and in the November 15, 1933, issue of The Watchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the “denarius” referred to in Jesus’ parable recorded at Matthew 20:1-16. The 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. For many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly Kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with Christ in 1930 and 1931 were “the last” called. (Matthew 20:6-8) However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed.
In 1935 the “great crowd” of Revelation 7:9-15 was understood to be made up of “other sheep,” Christians with an earthly hope, who would appear on the world scene in “the last days” and who as a group would survive Armageddon. (John 10:16; 2 Timothy 3:1; Revelation 21:3, 4) After that year, the thrust of the disciple-making work turned to the gathering in of the great crowd. Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.
Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual to take his place. (Romans 11:17-22) However, the number of genuine anointed ones who have become unfaithful is likely not large. On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.
How should a person be viewed who has determined in his heart that he is now anointed and begins to partake of the emblems at the Memorial? He should not be judged. The matter is between him and Jehovah. (Romans 14:12) However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special “insights,” beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation. They humbly remember that some anointed men in the first century did not qualify to serve as elders or ministerial servants. (1 Timothy 3:1-10, 12, 13; Titus 1:5-9; James 3:1) Some anointed Christians were even spiritually weak. (1 Thessalonians 5:14) And sisters, although anointed, did not teach in the congregation.—1 Timothy 2:11, 12.
Hence, anointed Christians along with their other sheep companions strive to stay spiritually strong, cultivating the fruitage of the spirit and working for the peace of the congregation. All Christians, whether anointed or of the other sheep, work hard at preaching the good news and making disciples under the direction of the Governing Body. Anointed Christians are content to do this for as long as it is God’s will that they remain on earth as Jehovah’s servants.

 Ok, so Holy Spirit draws you through the Good news, then you get baptized. Then Mother tells you what to believe. If you are a member of the 144,000 then you do receive some Holy spirit, but not enough of it to teach you any truth. Also you don't get as much as the GB. The Elders get some i guess, because you can't know anything that they don't know.... then there are mature other sheeper's...   I don't know what is going on!!!  Okay, okay... GB has Holy Spirit and they give the Elder's some so they can teach..uh no..uh, no the Bible gives..Jeez....  



Joined: 28 Jan 2012, 04:51

02 Jul 2012, 21:32 #9

WHAT?......hummm, can't seem to hear her from here...
Cute pic. (Image) of her thou......where was that taken?.....

Joined: 14 May 2011, 06:09

02 Jul 2012, 22:05 #10

I am sure that we all appreciate some of the point in this 07 5/1 W article statement : " They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special “insights,” beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; " .

However , one who is called and anointed , has these words to consider : " And we are certain that the Son of God has come, and has given us a CLEAR VISION , so that we may see him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. " - 1 Jn 5:20 [Bible in Basic English - BBE] . What does the NWT say here for this CLEAR VISION ? . . . "Intellectual Capacity" . So which do we believe ? The Watchtower or the Bible ?

Also , we see the way that the GB here pushes aside brothers in Christ for the sake of adhering to their own agendas . This is why they are not known as being a progressive organization , drawing closer to Christ .

I enjoy the whole context of what Apostle John wrote here in 1 Jn 5 : 18-21 :

[Modern King James Version] : " We know that everyone who has been born of God does not continue to sin, but the one born of God guards himself, and the evil one does not touch him. We know that we are of God, and all the world lies in evil. And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given us an understanding so that we may know Him who is true. And we are in Him that is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and the everlasting life. Little children, guard yourselves from idols. Amen. "

According to this then , it seems to say " Little children , guard yourselves from the Watchtower . Amen . "